as small as a world and as large as alone

11:33am June 25, 2014

amorpha-system:

solipsistful:

jokes i do not understand: “Lol my headmates are <collection of random characters>”

???

- Ace

It seems to be a hateability thing.

Like people who do it, from what we’ve seen, will often do it in the context of stuff like “My headmates are (collection of random characters), my otherkin type is a Volvo, my gender is a butternut squash, my pronouns are (bunch of randomly typed letters) and I’m demiromanticpolyasexual.”

…And this is the point where, after seeing gender identity incorporated into this type of mockery *repeatedly and consistently*, we start to get really tired of having to preface/disclaimer things all the time with “I know multiples aren’t systematically oppressed, BUT (etc).”  Because there *is* something that people whose main goal is to create troll identities to mock/discredit real people, seem to parse as being similar in all the above.  Even if We Aren’t Systematically Oppressed Like Trans People Are.  At some point we just want to go “okay, this is an established fact, now can we talk about the fact that even if we aren’t, people seem to parse all those things— not identifying with your body, saying your gender or sexuality can’t be easily defined by existing categories, wanting to use a different pronoun for yourself— as being intrinsically related in one giant evil snowball of special snowflakery?”

(…there’s a post out there by someone going on about how they were evilly pulled into believing they were demisexual by evil people who wanted them to believe they were special until they pulled free of the cult of evil demisexuality, or something.  If we have this cult, how come I never got to be part of it? )

-Lilac

Oh also you know what happened when I tried to describe what I meant by hateable?

Someone said that I clearly really thought hateable people were oppressed and was just trying to find another way to say oppressed.  As if I’d make up an entire word if I really just wanted to say oppressed, as if I have the mental energy to waste making up words for things that already have words.

I love when people know what I mean, so they don’t have to actually read what I say.

They also made a huge big deal about the fact that oppressed people are also hated, so I shouldn’t single out hateable people as hated because it’s not like oppressed people aren’t hated too.  And went on at some length about this, as if somehow by saying that people hate hateable people, then I was somehow also saying that people don’t hate oppressed people.

And then they said that I was being… like condescending or something, because I had a ‘tone’ of 'explaining how things really are’ and apparently that’s a bad thing.

But seriously.

You have to be really concerned when people try to make it impossible for you to discuss a problem.

Because that’s exactly what the response to me was:  It was SJ people trying to make it impossible for me to discuss hateability (by twisting my words around, mostly, and making it sound like any attempt to discuss hateability hurt real oppressed people).  And whenever people try to make it impossible to discuss something, it means something is going very wrong somewhere.  Very, very wrong.

And yes I’ve noticed the same thing with trolls – there’s a very specific list of things they consider hateable, and it’s almost all things where there’s a perceived disconnect between how your body is and how your mind is (or how your mind sees your body).  Plurality, otherkin, trans, BIID, etc.  And it doesn’t matter to the trolls that some of these identities qualify as oppressed and some are 'merely’ hateable – they’re all the same to them.  But the trolls also like playing people off each other, so they will emphasize the “but these people have something that isn’t even real while you’re really oppressed” thing at the SAME TIME as hating on trans people, but still pitting trans people against other hateable people, on purpose.  (Sometimes by deliberately making trolling statements as if from the point of view of a hateable person mis-comparing their experiences to trans people.)

People don’t realize how much of this is trolling and how much they feed into the trolls by the oppressed vs. hateable thing.

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